Comments on: Dir en grey and Cutting in Line http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/ My opinions, let me tell them to you. Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:13:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pri http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Pri Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:14:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-86 Oooh I remember you! :)<br/>Hahaha~ Oooh I remember you! :)
Hahaha~

]]> By: Kiriska http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Kiriska Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:40:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-81 I wasn't too particularly social in line, so I don't think we met. ^^ I was an Asian girl wearing a black jacket over a red shirt with tan cargo pants? :3 I wasn’t too particularly social in line, so I don’t think we met. ^^ I was an Asian girl wearing a black jacket over a red shirt with tan cargo pants? :3

]]> By: Pri http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Pri Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:27:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-80 Hey hey!! Who is this? My friends are in the picture you posted~ I'm just wondering if we met, 'cause I was standing there :D Hey hey!! Who is this? My friends are in the picture you posted~ I’m just wondering if we met, ’cause I was standing there :D

]]> By: Kiriska http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Kiriska Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:03:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-79 See, that's kind of what I was thinking, but it's interesting to hear it from someone who actually knows. It's definitely not hard to imagine that female-heavy fanbases tend to be more drama-filled. (I really hate the screaming during a song too, especially if it's at a slower/softer/easy-to-cover-up part.)<br/><br/>I've heard people suggest that jrockers should play at 21+ venues. I'm not really sure that age is as big an issue, but it'd be interesting to see what, if any, difference there'd be. See, that’s kind of what I was thinking, but it’s interesting to hear it from someone who actually knows. It’s definitely not hard to imagine that female-heavy fanbases tend to be more drama-filled. (I really hate the screaming during a song too, especially if it’s at a slower/softer/easy-to-cover-up part.)

I’ve heard people suggest that jrockers should play at 21+ venues. I’m not really sure that age is as big an issue, but it’d be interesting to see what, if any, difference there’d be.

]]> By: Tal http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Tal Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:14:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-78 I go to tons of shows, I can safely say that line cutting is a jrock phenomema. <br/> At metal shows for example, people come maximum an hour early, and then there is no shoving or line cutting. The crowd has a much greater feel of comradery as well. <br/> In general, I've found that fanbases of mostly females, such as a jrock and screamo,tend to have more bitchy, rude fans with no respect and appreciation for the music. (my pet peeve: screaming fangirls DURING a song.)<br/> If the fans base is mostly male, the crowd is far more about the enjoying the music. I go to tons of shows, I can safely say that line cutting is a jrock phenomema.
At metal shows for example, people come maximum an hour early, and then there is no shoving or line cutting. The crowd has a much greater feel of comradery as well.
In general, I’ve found that fanbases of mostly females, such as a jrock and screamo,tend to have more bitchy, rude fans with no respect and appreciation for the music. (my pet peeve: screaming fangirls DURING a song.)
If the fans base is mostly male, the crowd is far more about the enjoying the music.

]]> By: Kiriska http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Kiriska Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:13:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-77 @burantashi: Damn, I'm really sorry to hear about your experience. I suppose mine wasn't nearly as bad in comparison, especially since I still pretty much got in the place I wanted, but it's always the principle of the matter, yeah? I really hope people learn to grow up eventually...and I suppose you're right that these problems aren't exclusive to Dir en grey shows, but I just don't ever seem to hear about them otherwise.<br/><br/>@Anon: Same with your experience. That's really just... ridiculous douche behavior. I still think it's peculiar and sad when people so blatantly ignore that "golden rule" they were taught in grade school. :/<br/><br/>I guess the general consensus is a lack of understanding as to how people can be such assholes, eh? @burantashi: Damn, I’m really sorry to hear about your experience. I suppose mine wasn’t nearly as bad in comparison, especially since I still pretty much got in the place I wanted, but it’s always the principle of the matter, yeah? I really hope people learn to grow up eventually…and I suppose you’re right that these problems aren’t exclusive to Dir en grey shows, but I just don’t ever seem to hear about them otherwise.

@Anon: Same with your experience. That’s really just… ridiculous douche behavior. I still think it’s peculiar and sad when people so blatantly ignore that “golden rule” they were taught in grade school. :/

I guess the general consensus is a lack of understanding as to how people can be such assholes, eh?

]]> By: Anonymous http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Anonymous Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:01:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-76 Before New York, this year, a friend and I waited 21 hours outside of the venue. We slept on the street in the cold and the rain on old towels, huddled together. We never left for more than an hour or two at a time, to eat or to drop our things off where we were staying. Less than an <i>hour</i> before doors, six people we hadn't seen anywhere in the past day showed up in front of us in line, and refused to move. Their friends had jammed them into the number system- 7.5, 11.25, and told us oops, they'd miscounted when they gave us our numbers, sorry but oh well!<br/><br/>I just don't get that kind of disrespect, man. Why is it hard for people to behave in a way they would expect someone in front of them too? If the situations were reversed, you just <i>know</i> those people would have been furious. Don't cut if it would piss you off if someone else cut, don't let friends cut with you if it would make you angry in a reverse situation. The disrespect Dir en grey fans have been showing to each other in regards to the lines is just disappointing. This tour has been amazing, and for the most part, it has been in spite of the fans' disgusting behavior. Before New York, this year, a friend and I waited 21 hours outside of the venue. We slept on the street in the cold and the rain on old towels, huddled together. We never left for more than an hour or two at a time, to eat or to drop our things off where we were staying. Less than an hour before doors, six people we hadn’t seen anywhere in the past day showed up in front of us in line, and refused to move. Their friends had jammed them into the number system- 7.5, 11.25, and told us oops, they’d miscounted when they gave us our numbers, sorry but oh well!

I just don’t get that kind of disrespect, man. Why is it hard for people to behave in a way they would expect someone in front of them too? If the situations were reversed, you just know those people would have been furious. Don’t cut if it would piss you off if someone else cut, don’t let friends cut with you if it would make you angry in a reverse situation. The disrespect Dir en grey fans have been showing to each other in regards to the lines is just disappointing. This tour has been amazing, and for the most part, it has been in spite of the fans’ disgusting behavior.

]]> By: P. Static http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-75 P. Static Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:01:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-75 Yeah people are kinda jerks, especially when it comes to lines :( Yeah people are kinda jerks, especially when it comes to lines :(

]]> By: burantashi http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/comment-page-1/#comment-74 burantashi Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:39:00 +0000 http://op.deadend-detour.com/2008/11/27/dir-en-grey-and-cutting-in-line/#comment-74 I hear you on this one. D: Line cutting is really annoying, whether you've been waiting for 10 hours or 10 minutes. <br/><br/>When dir en grey played in Sweden in 2007 the same issue appeared. Even though there where people who had been waiting in line for several days, people still cut the line on the last day. <br/><br/>They sat down next to the queue right at the beginning and when the people in the actual line complained they responded that they were just "sitting there", no need to make a fuss about it because they weren't doing anything wrong. Still it made the rest of the queue (especially the first 20something people) because they were afraid to loose their spot. It also made others, further back think that it was somehow ok to cut. <br/><br/>The worst people I think were the ones who walked straight into the line and refused to move, defending themselves with the argument that "who are you to decide what I should do?" and refused to listen to anything that you said. It was respectless on so many levels and really childish behaviour. The people who had been waiting there for days we're ofcourse furious and tried to make them move, but the only response they got was something like: "bummer, looks like you chose the wrong way to go! :P". <br/><br/>lol, long comment! xD But I really feel very strongly about this! :O I remember the feeling when you had been waiting there for so long, endured cold nights and hot days and then someone really ignorant came along and showed no respect at all! They more or less treated you like you were an idiot for even waiting in line in the first place. What is it with people that makes them feel like it's okay to behave that way? <br/><br/>I would feel really bad for stealing someones spot and treating them with such little respect. <br/><br/>I don't think that line cutting is something that happens more frequently at dir en grey shows than anywhere else; I can't compare it to anyother show by anyother band because 1) I haven't been to that many and 2) at the ones I've been to I haven't felt like I needed to get a great spot. Line cutting, ofcourse, happens everywhere. But I'm afraid to say that the respectless responses when the line cutters were confronted , is somethig that I have only experiened that one time. :( <br/><br/>I do think that it might be common in other situations where people are really passionate about whatever they're waiting for.<br/><br/>Still it doesn't justify their respectless behaviour. I really wonder what is wrong with the person when they show no empathy towards others and when they seemingly have no bad conscience about it! <br/><br/>Long rant, probably pointless, probably not very correct use of English... xD I easily get worked up about these kind of things! ^^; Also, I hope I don't come off as too harsh! I hear you on this one. D: Line cutting is really annoying, whether you’ve been waiting for 10 hours or 10 minutes.

When dir en grey played in Sweden in 2007 the same issue appeared. Even though there where people who had been waiting in line for several days, people still cut the line on the last day.

They sat down next to the queue right at the beginning and when the people in the actual line complained they responded that they were just “sitting there”, no need to make a fuss about it because they weren’t doing anything wrong. Still it made the rest of the queue (especially the first 20something people) because they were afraid to loose their spot. It also made others, further back think that it was somehow ok to cut.

The worst people I think were the ones who walked straight into the line and refused to move, defending themselves with the argument that “who are you to decide what I should do?” and refused to listen to anything that you said. It was respectless on so many levels and really childish behaviour. The people who had been waiting there for days we’re ofcourse furious and tried to make them move, but the only response they got was something like: “bummer, looks like you chose the wrong way to go! :P”.

lol, long comment! xD But I really feel very strongly about this! :O I remember the feeling when you had been waiting there for so long, endured cold nights and hot days and then someone really ignorant came along and showed no respect at all! They more or less treated you like you were an idiot for even waiting in line in the first place. What is it with people that makes them feel like it’s okay to behave that way?

I would feel really bad for stealing someones spot and treating them with such little respect.

I don’t think that line cutting is something that happens more frequently at dir en grey shows than anywhere else; I can’t compare it to anyother show by anyother band because 1) I haven’t been to that many and 2) at the ones I’ve been to I haven’t felt like I needed to get a great spot. Line cutting, ofcourse, happens everywhere. But I’m afraid to say that the respectless responses when the line cutters were confronted , is somethig that I have only experiened that one time. :(

I do think that it might be common in other situations where people are really passionate about whatever they’re waiting for.

Still it doesn’t justify their respectless behaviour. I really wonder what is wrong with the person when they show no empathy towards others and when they seemingly have no bad conscience about it!

Long rant, probably pointless, probably not very correct use of English… xD I easily get worked up about these kind of things! ^^; Also, I hope I don’t come off as too harsh!

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