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		<title>By: TJF588</title>
		<link>http://op.deadend-detour.com/2009/07/review-eureka-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>TJF588</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anemone&quot; (w/ Japanese pronunciation, I suppose) bring to mind a kind of sea critter.  I haven&#039;t watched all of this series, but just aesthetically I don&#039;t like Renton.  Annoyingly goofy-looking, annoyingly goofily dressed, and prolly goofy-sounding, if not just annoying-sounding.  I don&#039;t much like being exposed to him, and whether he works as an artistic element or if I could warm up to him past these superficial qualms is of little consequence to me:  It&#039;s still a show, and I&#039;d still be using it for entertainment, so please don&#039;t inspire me to punch my TV.  *sigh* At least he&#039;s no Charmin bear. *cringes inside*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anemone&#8221; (w/ Japanese pronunciation, I suppose) bring to mind a kind of sea critter.  I haven&#8217;t watched all of this series, but just aesthetically I don&#8217;t like Renton.  Annoyingly goofy-looking, annoyingly goofily dressed, and prolly goofy-sounding, if not just annoying-sounding.  I don&#8217;t much like being exposed to him, and whether he works as an artistic element or if I could warm up to him past these superficial qualms is of little consequence to me:  It&#8217;s still a show, and I&#8217;d still be using it for entertainment, so please don&#8217;t inspire me to punch my TV.  *sigh* At least he&#8217;s no Charmin bear. *cringes inside*</p>
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		<title>By: Alaena</title>
		<link>http://op.deadend-detour.com/2009/07/review-eureka-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>Alaena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be absolutely honest, I agree with both the reviewer and his/her equally eloquent nemesis. When I watched the series for the first time, I was riveted by the development of all the characters, but got the impression that everything was disjointed... like a whole bunch of drugged dreams strung together with 70&#039;s-esque imagery to make a rainbow-riddled brain-bender. It made an entertaining, thought-provoking but thoroughly confusing show with amazingly developed characters and a universe that is so very easy to believe in, but various inconsistencies that riddled the story and made it difficult to enjoy completely.

ON SECOND WATCHING, HOWEVER, I have to say that most of the original disdain has evaporated. I enjoyed the series thoroughly on my first watching, but on my second and third, I was able to see the emotions and subtle development that pieced this series together into a wonderful and comprehensible whole.

I can understand that many people find Renton a weak, emo eyesore who pollutes the series with his idealistic whininess, but I found his character and his romance with Eureka refreshing, if at times a little bit exasperating. All of the characters have their own problems and decisions to make, and those decisions move the story in one direction or another.

Eureka Seven is a beautiful and amazing series that, while it does have just a couple inconsistencies, is an amazing, amazing series that tears at your heart and keeps you glued to your seat with its amazing characters and its vivid universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be absolutely honest, I agree with both the reviewer and his/her equally eloquent nemesis. When I watched the series for the first time, I was riveted by the development of all the characters, but got the impression that everything was disjointed&#8230; like a whole bunch of drugged dreams strung together with 70&#8217;s-esque imagery to make a rainbow-riddled brain-bender. It made an entertaining, thought-provoking but thoroughly confusing show with amazingly developed characters and a universe that is so very easy to believe in, but various inconsistencies that riddled the story and made it difficult to enjoy completely.</p>
<p>ON SECOND WATCHING, HOWEVER, I have to say that most of the original disdain has evaporated. I enjoyed the series thoroughly on my first watching, but on my second and third, I was able to see the emotions and subtle development that pieced this series together into a wonderful and comprehensible whole.</p>
<p>I can understand that many people find Renton a weak, emo eyesore who pollutes the series with his idealistic whininess, but I found his character and his romance with Eureka refreshing, if at times a little bit exasperating. All of the characters have their own problems and decisions to make, and those decisions move the story in one direction or another.</p>
<p>Eureka Seven is a beautiful and amazing series that, while it does have just a couple inconsistencies, is an amazing, amazing series that tears at your heart and keeps you glued to your seat with its amazing characters and its vivid universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Jacksin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris Jacksin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished watching the series for the second time and it doesn&#039;t hold up after 3 years. There&#039;s still a lot of things I like (the music especially), but the core of my annoyances come from the plot and Renton. As a story more reliant on characters than a strong plot, it does its best when it can show interesting character growth and situations. However, when it tries to shift gears as a plot-focused show, it loses its charm. The pacing just isn&#039;t there, why did we have to watch Renton, Eureka, and the kids mope around on the beach for so much of the last arc?

PS. The movie sucked. Despite my complaints I still like the show but in a different context. But that movie was horrendous and might offend those who liked the series more than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching the series for the second time and it doesn&#8217;t hold up after 3 years. There&#8217;s still a lot of things I like (the music especially), but the core of my annoyances come from the plot and Renton. As a story more reliant on characters than a strong plot, it does its best when it can show interesting character growth and situations. However, when it tries to shift gears as a plot-focused show, it loses its charm. The pacing just isn&#8217;t there, why did we have to watch Renton, Eureka, and the kids mope around on the beach for so much of the last arc?</p>
<p>PS. The movie sucked. Despite my complaints I still like the show but in a different context. But that movie was horrendous and might offend those who liked the series more than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Teenwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teenwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with this review of the animé. The main themes about war and harmony were interesting enough to keep you engaged with it but my god Renton and Eureka have one of the most annoying character romances I&#039;ve seen. When they finally acknowledge they love each other mid way through the series that was cool, but I don&#039;t think there were too many episodes where Renton didn&#039;t stop shouting &quot;EUREKA!&quot; and Eureka shouting &quot;RENTON!&quot; back in order to proclaim their love. The innocence of that love was intriguing at first but just got frustrating, especially with those goddamn whiny kids. In a way it&#039;s almost like they tried to take Chihiro and Haku&#039;s love from Spirited Away and slot it into a 50 episode series, which inevitably didn&#039;t appeal as much since their relationship wore on. There&#039;s a part of me that likes the relationship they had considering it&#039;s innocence, but the rest of me is frustrated at it. 

If they did get rid of Renton, the series would have been much better - definitely agree with you on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with this review of the animé. The main themes about war and harmony were interesting enough to keep you engaged with it but my god Renton and Eureka have one of the most annoying character romances I&#8217;ve seen. When they finally acknowledge they love each other mid way through the series that was cool, but I don&#8217;t think there were too many episodes where Renton didn&#8217;t stop shouting &#8220;EUREKA!&#8221; and Eureka shouting &#8220;RENTON!&#8221; back in order to proclaim their love. The innocence of that love was intriguing at first but just got frustrating, especially with those goddamn whiny kids. In a way it&#8217;s almost like they tried to take Chihiro and Haku&#8217;s love from Spirited Away and slot it into a 50 episode series, which inevitably didn&#8217;t appeal as much since their relationship wore on. There&#8217;s a part of me that likes the relationship they had considering it&#8217;s innocence, but the rest of me is frustrated at it. </p>
<p>If they did get rid of Renton, the series would have been much better &#8211; definitely agree with you on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering Love as Homage in Anime: Eureka SeveN x Mobile Suit Gundam &#171; We Remember Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering Love as Homage in Anime: Eureka SeveN x Mobile Suit Gundam &#171; We Remember Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Eureka SeveN that I disagree with: (Kiriska 2009/07/06) Omake haet: (Kiriska 2009/07/06) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Eureka Seven -Pocket Full of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Eureka SeveN that I disagree with: (Kiriska 2009/07/06) Omake haet: (Kiriska 2009/07/06) Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Eureka Seven -Pocket Full of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: phossil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phossil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im agree with you about the ending.  Somehow it didnt fix in the hole story..</description>
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		<title>By: dotdash</title>
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		<dc:creator>dotdash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But again with Cowboy Bebop, the characters had names that were evocative on their own too. You don&#039;t need to know anything about The Stranglers or The Sex Pistols to appreciate names like Jet Black and Vicious, and Faye Valentine is just a name that glistens with sexy radiance.

Borrowing song names for the episode titles doesn&#039;t bother me so much because episode titles are what you could perhaps call &quot;non-diagetic&quot;, in that they don&#039;t form part of the immediate on-screen world. I can accept the use of Carl Orff and Richard Wagner&#039;s music on the soundtrack to the film Excalibur, but if I saw an orchestra and choir riding along after King Arthur&#039;s army and playing O Fortuna, it would be ridiculous (and a rip-off of Monty Python).

I agree that ridiculous names are part and parcel of much anime, which is partly why I don&#039;t watch any post-80s Gundam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But again with Cowboy Bebop, the characters had names that were evocative on their own too. You don&#8217;t need to know anything about The Stranglers or The Sex Pistols to appreciate names like Jet Black and Vicious, and Faye Valentine is just a name that glistens with sexy radiance.</p>
<p>Borrowing song names for the episode titles doesn&#8217;t bother me so much because episode titles are what you could perhaps call &#8220;non-diagetic&#8221;, in that they don&#8217;t form part of the immediate on-screen world. I can accept the use of Carl Orff and Richard Wagner&#8217;s music on the soundtrack to the film Excalibur, but if I saw an orchestra and choir riding along after King Arthur&#8217;s army and playing O Fortuna, it would be ridiculous (and a rip-off of Monty Python).</p>
<p>I agree that ridiculous names are part and parcel of much anime, which is partly why I don&#8217;t watch any post-80s Gundam.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, most, if not all, of those references went over my head. I&#039;ve never really even been in tune with current pop culture, much less that of a decade or two ago. Evangelion might be a model for all, but I think Cowboy Bebop might be a better comparison for Eureka to the extent that all of the episode titles came from a song (none of which I knew, even in Bebop, but hey). Considering that many anime also feature less than stellar naming techniques, I didn&#039;t really pay attention to the oddity that was some characters&#039; names. I do see how an overt attempt to be clever can be irritating though. I guess I&#039;m just lucky to be ignorant on that front here, else it would be another on the list of things I didn&#039;t like.

I also like the name Anemone with the Japanese mispronunciation -- Eureka too, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, most, if not all, of those references went over my head. I&#8217;ve never really even been in tune with current pop culture, much less that of a decade or two ago. Evangelion might be a model for all, but I think Cowboy Bebop might be a better comparison for Eureka to the extent that all of the episode titles came from a song (none of which I knew, even in Bebop, but hey). Considering that many anime also feature less than stellar naming techniques, I didn&#8217;t really pay attention to the oddity that was some characters&#8217; names. I do see how an overt attempt to be clever can be irritating though. I guess I&#8217;m just lucky to be ignorant on that front here, else it would be another on the list of things I didn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>I also like the name Anemone with the Japanese mispronunciation &#8212; Eureka too, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: dotdash</title>
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		<dc:creator>dotdash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, the other thing that annoyed me was the constant, in-jokey references to late 80s and early 90s indie/alt-rock and youth culture. Renton and Adrock Thurston? Really? And all that stuff about The Hacienda, also known as Fac-51. Their obsession with cramming in as many of these pop culture references as they could meant that most of the names sounded at best awkward on the tongue, and at worst the cheesy obviousness of the refeernces undermined the suspension of disbelief that you need if you&#039;re going to temporarily accept something in a cartoon as real.

If they were going to conceive it from the start as a full-on, integrated postmodern work, it might have worked. Sorry to always come back to this, but Evangelion is, as always, the template. The use of old, sunken battleships as the surnames of nearly all the characters gives the series an air of impending doom and connects it to the war movie lineage that Anno was drawing from, not to mention the classic anime like Yamato that he grew up on. Eureka tries to pull a similar trick by tying the pop culture references from the creators&#039; youth into a similar thread of nostalgia and generational shift among a section of the target viewers. The difference is that the names from Evangelion still work for someone with no knowledge of Japanese history as standalone names that a normal person might have, whilst at the same time having a sort of classical aura all of their own that comes directly from the sound of the words. &quot;Katsuragi Misato&quot; rings very nicely in the ears.

This is just an example of the sort of self-indulgent laziness that plagues Eureka 7. I do like the name Anemone though -- it comes from Murakami Ryu&#039;s &quot;Coin Locker Babies&quot;, which I read as a student, but it&#039;s got a nice sound, especially in the Japanese mispronunciation (I seem to remember erading that Toji, Kensuke and Hikari&#039;s names from Evangelion came from Murakami too, although not from anything I&#039;ve read).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the other thing that annoyed me was the constant, in-jokey references to late 80s and early 90s indie/alt-rock and youth culture. Renton and Adrock Thurston? Really? And all that stuff about The Hacienda, also known as Fac-51. Their obsession with cramming in as many of these pop culture references as they could meant that most of the names sounded at best awkward on the tongue, and at worst the cheesy obviousness of the refeernces undermined the suspension of disbelief that you need if you&#8217;re going to temporarily accept something in a cartoon as real.</p>
<p>If they were going to conceive it from the start as a full-on, integrated postmodern work, it might have worked. Sorry to always come back to this, but Evangelion is, as always, the template. The use of old, sunken battleships as the surnames of nearly all the characters gives the series an air of impending doom and connects it to the war movie lineage that Anno was drawing from, not to mention the classic anime like Yamato that he grew up on. Eureka tries to pull a similar trick by tying the pop culture references from the creators&#8217; youth into a similar thread of nostalgia and generational shift among a section of the target viewers. The difference is that the names from Evangelion still work for someone with no knowledge of Japanese history as standalone names that a normal person might have, whilst at the same time having a sort of classical aura all of their own that comes directly from the sound of the words. &#8220;Katsuragi Misato&#8221; rings very nicely in the ears.</p>
<p>This is just an example of the sort of self-indulgent laziness that plagues Eureka 7. I do like the name Anemone though &#8212; it comes from Murakami Ryu&#8217;s &#8220;Coin Locker Babies&#8221;, which I read as a student, but it&#8217;s got a nice sound, especially in the Japanese mispronunciation (I seem to remember erading that Toji, Kensuke and Hikari&#8217;s names from Evangelion came from Murakami too, although not from anything I&#8217;ve read).</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s always good to know that I&#039;m not completely alone in my opinions. Still, I personally wouldn&#039;t recommend it even if you have the time and energy -- there are plenty of other better and less aggravating titles to see. The things that annoyed me far outweighed the things I found interesting, so I&#039;d say that it may be best to just look up a detailed plot synopsis to get the goals and themes of the series without the poor execution.

I also doubt my 14-year old self would have taken to Renton, considering I still feel he was more of a 10-year old or younger. Holland&#039;s immaturity was the main reason I stayed sympathetic towards Talho, so if anything, I guess that kept me going for a little while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s always good to know that I&#8217;m not completely alone in my opinions. Still, I personally wouldn&#8217;t recommend it even if you have the time and energy &#8212; there are plenty of other better and less aggravating titles to see. The things that annoyed me far outweighed the things I found interesting, so I&#8217;d say that it may be best to just look up a detailed plot synopsis to get the goals and themes of the series without the poor execution.</p>
<p>I also doubt my 14-year old self would have taken to Renton, considering I still feel he was more of a 10-year old or younger. Holland&#8217;s immaturity was the main reason I stayed sympathetic towards Talho, so if anything, I guess that kept me going for a little while.</p>
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