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	<title>Comments on: Eight OPs, EDs, and Inserts in English, not Engrish</title>
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		<title>By: usagijen</title>
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		<dc:creator>usagijen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your list needs some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/gundamx/gxht.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HUMAN TOUCH&lt;/a&gt;, just saying ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your list needs some <a href="http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/gundamx/gxht.htm" rel="nofollow">HUMAN TOUCH</a>, just saying ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there are also many levels of fluency -- just because someone is fluent in English doesn&#039;t mean they always pronounce everything correct and understand proper grammar, especially when it&#039;s so easy to get by without it. My parents have both lived and worked in the United States for almost twenty years, but if I can go a day without the urge to correct something they say, it&#039;s some kind of miracle. I would very much consider their speech Engrish even if they&#039;re technically fluent. 

The apathy even native speakers have towards their own language certain feeds into it, but I don&#039;t really think the Japanese discard grammatical rules &lt;i&gt;on purpose&lt;/i&gt;. It may just be too much trouble to correct it if they know &lt;s&gt;no one&lt;/s&gt; most won&#039;t really care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are also many levels of fluency &#8212; just because someone is fluent in English doesn&#8217;t mean they always pronounce everything correct and understand proper grammar, especially when it&#8217;s so easy to get by without it. My parents have both lived and worked in the United States for almost twenty years, but if I can go a day without the urge to correct something they say, it&#8217;s some kind of miracle. I would very much consider their speech Engrish even if they&#8217;re technically fluent. </p>
<p>The apathy even native speakers have towards their own language certain feeds into it, but I don&#8217;t really think the Japanese discard grammatical rules <i>on purpose</i>. It may just be too much trouble to correct it if they know <s>no one</s> most won&#8217;t really care.</p>
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		<title>By: kevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the trackback, man.
English proficiency among Japanese people, especially educated Japanese people, is very high, which begs the question as to why so much Engrish exists. I believe that it&#039;s a combination of apathy and irrelevance. If it sounds good, sing it. A lot of J-pop is this way, and I would estimate around half of J-pop songs has at least a sentence or phrase in English. The English language is very much embedded into the Japanese language.
It&#039;s true that the songs are not targeted at native speakers, but even if they were they are not targeted at your 4th grade English teacher. Stateside, I usually point to rap of hip hop in this example. No one is pointing out 50 Cent&#039;s grammatical errors when he asks &quot;where my homies at?&quot; Just like J-pop, the grammar (or lack thereof) is stylistic, probably intentional, and aimed at a specific audience that does not care about formal, native English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the trackback, man.<br />
English proficiency among Japanese people, especially educated Japanese people, is very high, which begs the question as to why so much Engrish exists. I believe that it&#8217;s a combination of apathy and irrelevance. If it sounds good, sing it. A lot of J-pop is this way, and I would estimate around half of J-pop songs has at least a sentence or phrase in English. The English language is very much embedded into the Japanese language.<br />
It&#8217;s true that the songs are not targeted at native speakers, but even if they were they are not targeted at your 4th grade English teacher. Stateside, I usually point to rap of hip hop in this example. No one is pointing out 50 Cent&#8217;s grammatical errors when he asks &#8220;where my homies at?&#8221; Just like J-pop, the grammar (or lack thereof) is stylistic, probably intentional, and aimed at a specific audience that does not care about formal, native English.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, then it might just be a matter of familiarity for you? At this point, I feel like I know enough about various studios and even some directors to pre-judge series by that rather than theme songs since, relevant or not, I don&#039;t find that they&#039;re usually great indicators of the quality of the series&#039; story or characters, which is the most important thing for me. Even high quality productions might use a relatively unknown artist just because -- for example, who&#039;s ever heard of anything else done by the artist that did &lt;i&gt;Evangelion&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s opening theme? The &lt;i&gt;X&lt;/i&gt; anime series also had a really unknown artist do its opening theme. However both are from reputable studios (GAINAX, Madhouse), so a high quality can be expected anyway.

I do agree that using Western music might be an indication of a higher budget though, so if you&#039;re not as familiar with stuff like studio, director, or the source material, it could work well enough to judge based on music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, then it might just be a matter of familiarity for you? At this point, I feel like I know enough about various studios and even some directors to pre-judge series by that rather than theme songs since, relevant or not, I don&#8217;t find that they&#8217;re usually great indicators of the quality of the series&#8217; story or characters, which is the most important thing for me. Even high quality productions might use a relatively unknown artist just because &#8212; for example, who&#8217;s ever heard of anything else done by the artist that did <i>Evangelion</i>&#8217;s opening theme? The <i>X</i> anime series also had a really unknown artist do its opening theme. However both are from reputable studios (GAINAX, Madhouse), so a high quality can be expected anyway.</p>
<p>I do agree that using Western music might be an indication of a higher budget though, so if you&#8217;re not as familiar with stuff like studio, director, or the source material, it could work well enough to judge based on music.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Keegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t necessarily disagree, it&#039;s just that when a new show is rolled out with a song I can&#039;t understand by a band I&#039;ve never heard of before I have no idea (before I see it) whether the show will be a masterpiece or a commercial for the song or something in between.

On the other hand, in the few instances I know of when Western music was used, the productions have been of high quality.  It probably has less to with artistic freedom (as I originally stated) and more to do with the how much money the creators were given to work with.

Now that I&#039;ve thought about it a bit more, it&#039;s not really different than if a big name composer is attached to a show - it&#039;s a sign that the creators have money and are trying to create a quality product.  However, I&#039;m not familiar with Japanese composers (except for Yoko Kanno) so I probably wouldn&#039;t realize that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree, it&#8217;s just that when a new show is rolled out with a song I can&#8217;t understand by a band I&#8217;ve never heard of before I have no idea (before I see it) whether the show will be a masterpiece or a commercial for the song or something in between.</p>
<p>On the other hand, in the few instances I know of when Western music was used, the productions have been of high quality.  It probably has less to with artistic freedom (as I originally stated) and more to do with the how much money the creators were given to work with.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve thought about it a bit more, it&#8217;s not really different than if a big name composer is attached to a show &#8211; it&#8217;s a sign that the creators have money and are trying to create a quality product.  However, I&#8217;m not familiar with Japanese composers (except for Yoko Kanno) so I probably wouldn&#8217;t realize that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I don&#039;t know. I feel like a good percentage of theme songs by artists that also happen to be owned by the same parent conglomerate still relate wonderfully with the series in question and in some cases, seem like they&#039;re written specifically with the show in mind. Takanori Nishikawa always comes to mind for that -- &quot;resonance&quot; for SOUL EATER, &quot;Howling&quot; for Darker than BLACK, and &quot;Meteor&quot; for Gundam SEED all have blatant connections between song and series. I don&#039;t really think chosen Western bands have a higher chance of being &quot;appropriate&quot; even if overall quality is might be higher. 

In fact I kind of think that Japanese artists have a greater chance of composing something specifically for a series than a Western equivalent because it&#039;s much easier to communicate ideas without a language barrier, no matter how universal the ideas in the series might be. Also, I don&#039;t really feel as if Radiohead&#039;s ending for Ergo Proxy suits it too well even if the song itself is of good quality -- but I guess I really shouldn&#039;t say anything until after I&#039;ve seen at least some of the series.

I&#039;ve heard of the themes for Eden of the East and Texhnolyze, the latter of which I was thinking of checking out eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know. I feel like a good percentage of theme songs by artists that also happen to be owned by the same parent conglomerate still relate wonderfully with the series in question and in some cases, seem like they&#8217;re written specifically with the show in mind. Takanori Nishikawa always comes to mind for that &#8212; &#8220;resonance&#8221; for SOUL EATER, &#8220;Howling&#8221; for Darker than BLACK, and &#8220;Meteor&#8221; for Gundam SEED all have blatant connections between song and series. I don&#8217;t really think chosen Western bands have a higher chance of being &#8220;appropriate&#8221; even if overall quality is might be higher. </p>
<p>In fact I kind of think that Japanese artists have a greater chance of composing something specifically for a series than a Western equivalent because it&#8217;s much easier to communicate ideas without a language barrier, no matter how universal the ideas in the series might be. Also, I don&#8217;t really feel as if Radiohead&#8217;s ending for Ergo Proxy suits it too well even if the song itself is of good quality &#8212; but I guess I really shouldn&#8217;t say anything until after I&#8217;ve seen at least some of the series.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard of the themes for Eden of the East and Texhnolyze, the latter of which I was thinking of checking out eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good stuff, major props to the Japanese artists who were able to make such good music in a second language.

A point about specifically Western music, however:  As I understand it, the music used for OPs and EDs is often selected based on whoever is bankrolling the show and what bands they are trying to push.  This isn&#039;t  necessarily a bad thing, but when I see a show features music from Westerner artists it&#039;s a sign to me that the creators were given the artistic freedom to select the music that they felt was most appropriate for the show, and is potentially a sign of good quality across the board (not that this can&#039;t happen with bands from Japan or other parts of Asia).

I&#039;m particularly fond of the of the openings for Lain and Mushishi, every time I see/hear them it psyches me up for the particular mood the show is trying to bring across.

Some other noteworthy songs are:

-&quot;Falling Down&quot; by Oasis (Eden of the East)
  A good song but not great, IMO, but I think it&#039;s a good example of my original point about Western music being a sign of good quality.

-&quot;The Light Before We Land&quot; by the Delgados (Gunslinger Girl)
  A very haunting piece of music used to devastating effect.

-&quot;Guardian Angel~Xavier&#039;s Edit&quot; by Juno Reactor (Texhnolyze)
  Okay, so the only English used is a voiceover at the beginning of the song.  I don&#039;t care, I really enjoy Juno Reactor, and this is probably my favorite song by them.  I haven&#039;t gotten very far in the show so I can&#039;t comment on how well the song fits, but the opening sequence never fails to get my blood pumping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good stuff, major props to the Japanese artists who were able to make such good music in a second language.</p>
<p>A point about specifically Western music, however:  As I understand it, the music used for OPs and EDs is often selected based on whoever is bankrolling the show and what bands they are trying to push.  This isn&#8217;t  necessarily a bad thing, but when I see a show features music from Westerner artists it&#8217;s a sign to me that the creators were given the artistic freedom to select the music that they felt was most appropriate for the show, and is potentially a sign of good quality across the board (not that this can&#8217;t happen with bands from Japan or other parts of Asia).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly fond of the of the openings for Lain and Mushishi, every time I see/hear them it psyches me up for the particular mood the show is trying to bring across.</p>
<p>Some other noteworthy songs are:</p>
<p>-&#8221;Falling Down&#8221; by Oasis (Eden of the East)<br />
  A good song but not great, IMO, but I think it&#8217;s a good example of my original point about Western music being a sign of good quality.</p>
<p>-&#8221;The Light Before We Land&#8221; by the Delgados (Gunslinger Girl)<br />
  A very haunting piece of music used to devastating effect.</p>
<p>-&#8221;Guardian Angel~Xavier&#8217;s Edit&#8221; by Juno Reactor (Texhnolyze)<br />
  Okay, so the only English used is a voiceover at the beginning of the song.  I don&#8217;t care, I really enjoy Juno Reactor, and this is probably my favorite song by them.  I haven&#8217;t gotten very far in the show so I can&#8217;t comment on how well the song fits, but the opening sequence never fails to get my blood pumping.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiriska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiriska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought of a few video game themes, especially those from Kingdom Hearts, but I wanted to limit this list to anime-related songs for one reason or another. It&#039;s funny, I prefer &quot;Simple and Clean&quot; to &quot;Hikari,&quot; but &quot;Passion&quot; sounds infinitely better than &quot;Sanctuary&quot; to me. And Faye Wong is Chinese, yes.

&quot;Lithium Flower&quot; was GitS:SAC&#039;s first season end theme, so if you didn&#039;t make it to the second season, I suppose you might have heard &quot;living inside the shell.&quot; The former is still pretty catchy though, so it might also just be more memorable even though I still think the latter is a better song.

Yuki Kajiura&#039;s involvement in .hack is its only high point for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought of a few video game themes, especially those from Kingdom Hearts, but I wanted to limit this list to anime-related songs for one reason or another. It&#8217;s funny, I prefer &#8220;Simple and Clean&#8221; to &#8220;Hikari,&#8221; but &#8220;Passion&#8221; sounds infinitely better than &#8220;Sanctuary&#8221; to me. And Faye Wong is Chinese, yes.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lithium Flower&#8221; was GitS:SAC&#8217;s first season end theme, so if you didn&#8217;t make it to the second season, I suppose you might have heard &#8220;living inside the shell.&#8221; The former is still pretty catchy though, so it might also just be more memorable even though I still think the latter is a better song.</p>
<p>Yuki Kajiura&#8217;s involvement in .hack is its only high point for me.</p>
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		<title>By: TJF588</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJF588</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Present da~y. Present...time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-!&quot;

Reading through the songs you highlighted, my limited exposure thought of &quot;Life is like a boat&quot; (then I see it in hono[u]rable metnions) and, well, Square Enix songs.  You have &quot;Eyes On Me&quot; and &quot;Melodies Of Life&quot; from the PS1 FFs, and the English variations of the KH vocal themes (&quot;Simple And Clean&quot; for &quot;Hikari&quot;, &quot;Sanctuary&quot; for &quot;Passion&quot;).  All sung by Asian artists, if I&#039;m right (wanna say Faye Wong is Chinese, but I&#039;unno).

Of yours, though, the only one I knew by description was &lt;i&gt;Bebop&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s ending.  I may recognize the other &lt;i&gt;Bebop&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;GitS&lt;/i&gt; ones (especially the last, though what readily comes to mind is the mentioned &quot;Lithium Flower&quot;).  I only have a few anime songs in my playlist(s), and only one soundtrack on my comp (&lt;i&gt;Outlaw Star&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s, though I only have &quot;TEARS&quot; and maybe one/two of Melfina&#039;s songs in circulation).  Do know how pretty &lt;i&gt;.hack&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s music can be, though, especially since a friend used to play it aloud.

Also, &quot;though&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Present da~y. Present&#8230;time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-!&#8221;</p>
<p>Reading through the songs you highlighted, my limited exposure thought of &#8220;Life is like a boat&#8221; (then I see it in hono[u]rable metnions) and, well, Square Enix songs.  You have &#8220;Eyes On Me&#8221; and &#8220;Melodies Of Life&#8221; from the PS1 FFs, and the English variations of the KH vocal themes (&#8220;Simple And Clean&#8221; for &#8220;Hikari&#8221;, &#8220;Sanctuary&#8221; for &#8220;Passion&#8221;).  All sung by Asian artists, if I&#8217;m right (wanna say Faye Wong is Chinese, but I&#8217;unno).</p>
<p>Of yours, though, the only one I knew by description was <i>Bebop</i>&#8217;s ending.  I may recognize the other <i>Bebop</i>, <i>Lain</i>, and <i>GitS</i> ones (especially the last, though what readily comes to mind is the mentioned &#8220;Lithium Flower&#8221;).  I only have a few anime songs in my playlist(s), and only one soundtrack on my comp (<i>Outlaw Star</i>&#8217;s, though I only have &#8220;TEARS&#8221; and maybe one/two of Melfina&#8217;s songs in circulation).  Do know how pretty <i>.hack</i>&#8217;s music can be, though, especially since a friend used to play it aloud.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;though&#8221;.</p>
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